Curse

Bernie M · Apr 13, 2006, 07:07 PM // 19:07

Hey all

When farming the UW with my 55 monk and a PUG ss/sv necro, I tend to get a little senstive when a necro tells me which groups to aggro and where to go, etc. I'll usually say something which usually catches the necro by surprise and they either stop or Ill die on purpose. Am I being too sensitive?

On another note, when I play my ss/sv Necro and the monk seems to need some help or seems to be new, it's my pleasure to help that 55 monk with the routes, tips, etc. I love helping new 55 monks and ss/sv Necros get started farming the UW.

Any thoughts on this relationship?

The Fenixxor · Apr 13, 2006, 07:29 PM // 19:29

haha i'm exactly the same, its like: you tank 400 aatxxes and you obviously know what ur doing, but then he starts drawing on the map anyway.

Also get sick of the same conversation at the start of the game:

Me; Get the quest please.
Necro: what now?
me: yes
Necr: you'll die.
Me: no i wont.
Nec: hmmmmm okay.

Holy · Apr 13, 2006, 07:45 PM // 19:45

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Originally Posted by The Fenixxor

haha i'm exactly the same, its like: you tank 400 aatxxes and you obviously know what ur doing, but then he starts drawing on the map anyway.

Also get sick of the same conversation at the start of the game:

Me; Get the quest please.
Necro: what now?
me: yes
Necr: you'll die.
Me: no i wont.
Nec: hmmmmm okay.

haha i get that conversation all the time with my 55...and i especially like it when they aggro for me. "just stay here...ill aggro for u all u have to do is stay ok?"
i either aggro all the smites in sight after that to show that necro who he is talking to or leave

Maxiemonster · Apr 13, 2006, 09:14 PM // 21:14

Do what makes you feel good. If they act like an idiot, you act like one. If they act a little bit like idiot, you act like on a little bit. Keep in mind that it sucks if someone leaves or dies on purpose though, so don't leave to soon, just in "emergencies"

Opeth11 · Apr 13, 2006, 09:20 PM // 21:20

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Originally Posted by Maxiemonster

Do what makes you feel good. If they act like an idiot, you act like one. If they act a little bit like idiot, you act like on a little bit. Keep in mind that it sucks if someone leaves or dies on purpose though, so don't leave to soon, just in "emergencies"

-_-
I often play with my best e-buddy. In fact, sometimes we get too stupid and we rage quit on each other. Thank god we're both fairly welathy to venture the underworld continually.

From time to time, I've always wondered, if I didn't rage on my buddy, would I have gotten a Glob of Ectoplasm? The anti-farm nerf doesn't help us either. Ha.

Of course, after one time I had one of my 'incidents', we entered again and charged into aggro just to waste my payment >_>

What a world we live in.

edit - I'd never go 'Raging Cadaver' on a PUG. Nor would I go with one. Just a thought.

ArcticJast · Apr 13, 2006, 10:07 PM // 22:07

I stick to the way i was taught, the monk is boss.

This goes for when i'm monking or when i'm on my Necro. If i'm on my Monk and a Necro tells me what to aggro or what direction to go i just ignore it, or give them a straight "no, my way is what i enjoy, if you don't like it leave."

If i'm on my necro i just stay quiet and go along with whatever the monk says, the only thing i ask the monk to do is to move so everything gets hit by SS. I've pretty much given up offering advice now, although i will help if it's asked for.

Tsunami Rain · Apr 13, 2006, 10:15 PM // 22:15

well for me I like to talk with my necro a bit to get to know what kind of person he/she is. Depending on that I usually decide what I want to do with the situation. Truthfully as a 55 monk you should be leading the 2-man party since you are the tank. Without you tanking, the necro will die. If the necro won't comply just sit there and tank untill he gets fed up and starts casting ss.

sno · Apr 14, 2006, 02:48 AM // 02:48

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Originally Posted by ArcticJast

I stick to the way i was taught, the monk is boss.

I believe I may have been the one who taught you that

I teach all my necro students that they are "slaves" to the monk. The speed and direction of any 2man UW run depends entirely on the monk, just as the speed of the killing depends (almost) entirely on the necro (with the exception of how the monk groups the aggro together.)

I too used to get defensive when a necro would try to bark orders at me, however now I almost exclusively go with friends, so it's not an issue (not to mention at this point I'm generally already doing something and don't give them any time to tell me where to go, I just get a "omg you're going to kill yourself" or something of the sort, before they come kill.)

The biggest problem I have with necros, is that they tend to come up and aggro to help me kill a nightmare, which just ends up getting them killed. Although I appreciate the thought, I don't need nor want their help, especially at the expense of their safety.

Bernie M · Apr 14, 2006, 03:49 AM // 03:49

Thanks for your thoughts fellas/gals. It's nice to know I'm not alone with my feelings. Also, I notice that the better monks and necros also play both classes when farming the UW.

3mp7y · Apr 25, 2006, 09:31 AM // 09:31

Hey, as i've been playin more as a necro in uw than as a monk I 90% agree with all that have been said

I most of the time follow the monk and let him do what he wants.
But i dont like when he tells me everythin i have to do (use sv now, stand here, an the worst i ever had, a monk calling for me ....)
I only ask two things to the monk during the run, always move 1step backward so everybody shares dmg, and don't use bonetti when less than 5 smites. This apart he can do whatever he wants as long as he isn't dying.

And sompetimes you get really kewl surprises, for example, i once went with a prot bond monk that was really fast and took the smites groups 4 by 4

that was so fast.
You can get bad surprises too, for exemple when its a smite monk that doesnt kill the atxx & darkness in the small room just after the doors have opened so that you cant reach the smites, and he'll finish the job :/ .(my advice, wait till a gud spawn and use illusion of haste or distorsion and you'll get through

now as you've been almost scammed dont do anythin let the monk kill & get whats yours

everytime i've done that i've been flammed but whatever he wanted to scam me ....) Only problem is you have to sacrifice echo but if you see the monk isnt a smite change your skills for the secund run ^^ )

But in the end, most of the monks are kinda friendly, i've my regulars now & i'm doin solo rest of the time, fed up of bein scammed. What i have to say is its really fun to go with unknown monks as you'll sometimes learn new tricks &/or make e-friends

sno · Apr 25, 2006, 02:11 PM // 14:11

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But i dont like when he tells me everythin i have to do (use sv now, stand here, an the worst i ever had, a monk calling for me ....)

I disagree with both of these, as I sometimes do each of them. The thing with SV is that it's not for the necro, it's a tool to make the monk's life easier (until smites of course.) If the monk thinks he'll need SV to survive a group, the only way the necro will know that is if he asks for it. As for calling targets, sometimes on the very first aatxe group I pull, there can be 4 or 5 of them that aren't attacking, so I'll call the attacking ones, to make sure SS gets on them and not the passives. Good necros will be able to tell, but sometimes I'll see ss land on a passive and start calling, or ask if he wants me to call for him.

GloryFox · Apr 25, 2006, 02:21 PM // 14:21

My thoughts on the 55 SS/SV relationship.

Its killed UW... no more 8 man Groups to do UW quests.. thats what I think of the 55 SS/SV

bobrath · Apr 25, 2006, 03:06 PM // 15:06

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Originally Posted by 3mp7y

You can get bad surprises too, for exemple when its a smite monk that doesnt kill the atxx & darkness in the small room just after the doors have opened so that you cant reach the smites, and he'll finish the job :/ .(my advice, wait till a gud spawn and use illusion of haste or distorsion and you'll get through

now as you've been almost scammed dont do anythin let the monk kill & get whats yours

everytime i've done that i've been flammed but whatever he wanted to scam me ....) Only problem is you have to sacrifice echo but if you see the monk isnt a smite change your skills for the secund run ^^ )

I'm not sure I understand this... So after you clear the chamber (or at least the grasping) the monk runs past the aataxes and into the smite area without pausing to handle the 2-4 aataxes and grasping in the area?

Is it really that hard to get past the aataxes? and wouldn't it be obvious the monk was a smiter instead of the "pure" 55?

Bloodied Blade · Apr 25, 2006, 07:36 PM // 19:36

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Originally Posted by 3mp7y

You can get bad surprises too, for exemple when its a smite monk that doesnt kill the atxx & darkness in the small room just after the doors have opened so that you cant reach the smites, and he'll finish the job :/ .(my advice, wait till a gud spawn and use illusion of haste or distorsion and you'll get through

now as you've been almost scammed dont do anythin let the monk kill & get whats yours

everytime i've done that i've been flammed but whatever he wanted to scam me ....) Only problem is you have to sacrifice echo but if you see the monk isnt a smite change your skills for the secund run ^^ )

If it's a smite monk, why are you even on the run? 2 SS casts are a lot better than 2 SS casts + SoJ (they attack faster without the SoJ, in the end outdamaging it).

...What's the monk "scamming" you for? 500 gold? You have better luck with a good SB monk on a 50/50 ecto split.

ArcticJast · Apr 25, 2006, 09:12 PM // 21:12

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Originally Posted by Bloodied Blade

If it's a smite monk, why are you even on the run? 2 SS casts are a lot better than 2 SS casts + SoJ (they attack faster without the SoJ, in the end outdamaging it).

...What's the monk "scamming" you for? 500 gold? You have better luck with a good SB monk on a 50/50 ecto split.

There are monks out there that use SS Necros to clear the first room, as SoJ is too slow. Once all the aatxe/graspings from the first room are clear they run to the smites and leave you behind.

3mp7y · Apr 26, 2006, 07:57 AM // 07:57

Excuse my bad english, i'll try to make it clear.
Sometimes, when u go in uw with a 55 you dont know, he'll turn out to be a smiter, even if you had ask for sb & 50/50 split most of teh time these guy swont respect that. There was no way to know it before. When i say he wanted to scam me, i wasn't talking of the 500g. I meant he used me for the beginning and then finish the thing alone of course without sharing ectos. Illusion of haste is a goud way to counter that. as you can pass through the small room and follow the monk if you're a bit used with the patrols rythms & paths.

I'd like to add that when i was talking about monks tellin me to use sv, it was vs smites when they ask for it in other circumstances (ie vs graspings/atxxx/ or during the escort quest no problem for me).

I can understand that sometimes when some atxx are not attackin the monk wants to call for me, this is cool but it is the same as a monk askin for sv, ie if i need it i'll ask for it

.

As a conclusion, 80% of the monks i've met were really cool guys i still have in my friend list, some are faster some are really fun, most of tehm are doin really goud job while chatin with me. Well i love that duo, it is just sometimes i dont like when the monk acts like he did it thousands time and it is my first time in there thats all.
I hope i haven't offended someone, just wanted to make the thing clear

Gl hf gg

3mp7y

BooRay · Apr 26, 2006, 12:34 PM // 12:34

First I want to say thanks to everyone here at GWG for the great information on playing monk on GW. I would have never tried the UW without first reading all the information available here. Its priceless!

Now, I have a 55 monk and became somewhat successful at farming trolls, hydras, griffons, Sand Elementals ect. I still have alot to learn and would consider myself an UW Noob.

What I found out in Duo runs is that there are 2 classes of players. The ones that think they are the greatest players ever, know it all, done it all and if you mess up regardless your a Noob. The other player is one that will lend a hand, advise, help you out and give direction. Unfortunately the later players are fewer in between than the ones that have been there done that and expect you to be on the same level or expertise as them. Does this make sense?

I really want to become proficient at doing duo UW runs so I can help others out in the future. Problem is that being an UW noob which I will admit, I have only found a handful of necros willing to join me and give direction. Most of the times, we spawn, they just stand there and wait for me to aggro. If I die from a nighmare or something goes wrong (wrong key) they leave quick with some comment.

Ok Im done with my soapbox speech. I sort of fell out of sorts with DUO runs in the UW lately cause of this fact. If I put out a message like "New 55 Monk LF SS for UW help" you think I would get a response? LMAO thats funny. I have posted similar messages and you should see some of the responses I have gotten. Everyone in ToA thinks they are experts. Many are experts but unwilling to help someone new to the UW to become better. Its frustrating.

bobrath · Apr 26, 2006, 03:34 PM // 15:34

It may sound childish, but offering to pay for the first runs will typically bring you a bit more love. If you're able to make it through the first room, you'll be getting your entry cost back easily.

I don't mind taking my SS necro in with a new (learning) monk as long as I don't have to see my 500g go down the tube when the first nightmare pops up. I've actually developed some great partners based on starting with them as they were new. Part of the fun is knowing that we've learned more from each other's mistakes then running along with an uncommunicative "pro".

Hardest part for me? Getting the new monks to understand that they are the drivers and in command, I just follow along and kill what they pick up.

BooRay · Apr 26, 2006, 04:07 PM // 16:07

I have paid the full price for entry on occassion and yes it does help BUT I do with caution now since I have since been scammed on a 50/50 split. I paid for the full run and was left hanging after an ecto glob dropped and the necro bolted.

And yes I have been owned by the nightmares early on. I'm sure that was not good and the necro bolted thinking BAH, what a tool.

Evilsod · Apr 26, 2006, 04:41 PM // 16:41

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Originally Posted by BooRay

I have paid the full price for entry on occassion and yes it does help BUT I do with caution now since I have since been scammed on a 50/50 split. I paid for the full run and was left hanging after an ecto glob dropped and the necro bolted.

And yes I have been owned by the nightmares early on. I'm sure that was not good and the necro bolted thinking BAH, what a tool.

All the more reason why i never go down there with randoms anymore. Can't trust a 55 monk or an SS/SV necro imo. Find 1 you trust, 1 you like to play with and stick with him. If he's not online do somet else.

Out of interest how has the Savage Slash boost hurt 55s tanking the whole starting area quickly?